Jessica Fain on Executive Influence, the Communication Chameleon, and the Art of Getting Buy-In

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Jessica Fain has led product at Box, Slack, Brightwheel, and Webflow. At Slack she served as Chief of Staff to CPO April Underwood and then to Tamar Yehoshua, which gave her direct sight into how executives make decisions. This conversation is a tactical guide to the skill of influence — not politics, but the art of increasing the odds that good ideas survive contact with organisational reality.

Key ideas

Influence is not politics. Politics is manipulating outcomes for personal gain. Influence is increasing the odds that good ideas survive. The distinction matters: people who reframe influence as dirty are usually letting ego (attachment to being right) substitute for empathy (understanding what the decision-maker needs).
Executives run on strobe-light calendars. A CPO moves from board prep to a hiring interview to a legal escalation to a product review without gaps. The PM who prepared for that meeting for six weeks cannot assume the executive thought about it since their last encounter. Setting context at the start — why are we here, where did we leave off, what do we need to decide today — is not politeness; it is competence.
Communication chameleon. Product leaders must adapt their communication style to what activates the specific executive: some respond to customer stories, some to data, some to design, some to competitive framing. Identifying this and using it is not manipulation — it is giving someone the format in which they do their best thinking.
Go in to learn, not to convince. The best pitches happen when the PM treats the executive as a domain expert worth interviewing. ‘That’s so interesting — what led you to believe that?’ disarms certainty, surfaces tacit knowledge the PM does not have, and creates co-ownership of the direction that emerges. This is the opposite of seeking approval for a pre-formed plan.
Kill things to build trust. Deprioritising a project you worked hard on, before being asked to, is one of the most senior signals a product leader can send. It shows that the company’s outcome, not personal investment, drives decision-making.

Topics covered

Why influence is the highest-leverage skill for product leaders
Strobe-light executive calendars: what execs actually experience before a product review
30-second meeting setup: why are we here, where did we leave off, what do we need
Communication chameleon: adapting format to how each exec does their best thinking
Go in to learn, not to convince: using discovery interview skills with executives
Aligning pitch with executive incentives, OKRs, and board pressures
Three-option presentation and the Goldilocks middle
Follow the subtle breadcrumbs: execs signal priorities obliquely
Shrinking the change: how to reduce perceived risk of a new initiative
Kill things to build trust: deprioritisation as senior behaviour
Stuart Butterfield’s notebook and the ‘Hey Stuart, what do you think?’ process
Influence as the 10× skill in the AI era: execution commoditises, alignment does not
Agent management: onboarding agents the same way you would onboard a new PM